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Re: Arrhenius and the Mayor First, let me point out that I generally don’t consider war or leaky piping humorous topics. Nonetheless, Joseph Lstiburek’s “Arrhenius and the Mayor” Building Sciences column in the May issue resulted in gut laughs, which I had never before experienced in more than 30 years of reading ASHRAE Journal. Timothy w. Young, P.E., Member asHRaE, washougal, wash. the authors would quickly attempt to wash the egg off their faces by quoting control valve rangeability, the actual turndown that would normally be seen, because most designers are unwilling to size valves two to four sizes smaller than the entering pipe, would again make the system unstable from a control point of view. Considering the pump control loop and the reduction in valve flow range, normal temperature control just isn’t sensitive enough, nor is there any amount of controller adjustment that will let a valve do anything but hunt or maintain a fixed position. • Under classic hydronic theory, and accounting for how little designers properly account for proportionality in system design, an automatic flow limiting valve is the minimum required device to compensate for the swings in flow that real operating systems do show in performance. • When one considers the true control dynamics of the system, and also factors in how “diversity” is improperly being applied in hydronic system designs these days, pressure compensated temperature control valves become the only real choice in making a variable-speed, variable flow system work as intended. • The author’s advice on control valve selection in the conclusion is nonsense. Unless they, and all designers, properly analyze the controls, and calculate individual circuit control and valve authority, the world’s best control valve will still yield poor control no matter what they think they’ve noticed in their careers. wHaT’s RigHT with the article? Well, that’s far easier to answer. Unless there is some process that requires the application of a constant-speed, constant-flow system, don’t design them. The same function can always be done better through judicious application of a two-way valve. Oh boy! Thanks for the reminder! If that were the real intent, then wouldn’t a title like “Don’t design constant speed pumping systems with three-way valves” be more appropriate? At least it would be a thesis that could be proven. Mark Hegberg, Member asHRaE, Elmhurst, ill. September 2009 www.info.hotims.com/25208-10 14 ASHRAE Journal

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ASHRAE Journal - September 2009
Contents
Commentary
Industry News
Letters
Meetings and Shows
Getting to Net Zero
Feature Articles
How High Can You Go? Building Height and Net Zero
Lab for Learning
Solar Hot-Water Heating System: Lessons Learned
50th Anniversary—Low Pressure Steam Heating Systems
Building Sciences
Products
Emerging Technologies
People
Classified Advertising
Advertisers Index
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