DT: Yeah, they bring up a few people that are now gone. And there are some other people who may have changed their views over the years; but those tapes are an excellent window to another time. Hopefully your Living History video interviews will be even more valuable. Interviewer: That is our hope. DT: As long as you don't get in the situation where you no longer have the technology to play them-try to find a reel-to-reel tape recorder these days. We have in the archive-not everyone may know this-but we do have an awful lot of videotape. It's reel-to-reel video, and I am not quite sure what was used to play it. Who knows what secrets and treasures are lurking on those videos. We had a little guy that used to walk around the early conferences with an early video outfit recording stuff all the time. Interviewer: Do you remember the name? DT: Not off the top of my head. Interviewer: It wasn't George Van Buren, was it? DT: I don't think so. But I could be wrong. His name is on the tapes. Interviewer: Was he from the west coast, around the San Francisco area? DT: I believe so. Interviewer: We made numerous inquiries about this in the past. He gave you all those tapes? DT: Yes. Interviewer: So you have them here in the archive? DT: I have them. Haven't you found them yet? Interviewer: They have been mentioned by several people, including Joel Rubin. We ought to mention at this point that this is how research often takes place. It is often serendipitous; someone will mention something and suddenly you make a discovery. DT: You've probably been sitting about five feet from them all day. Interviewer: That's probably true while I've been digging through other things. I'll have to take a look at this. There is a business out there converting... 70 W I N T E R 2 0 0 5 TD & T