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Morningstar Conversation
at the short end, and no longer going to be
negative in real terms way out in the
government-bond yield curve. They’ll go up.
Capitalization rates on assets will go up, and
that tends to be tough on prices. And
we believe that a big fiscal deficit financed by
Federal Reserve money creation is a big
subsidy to profits. As those fiscal deficits wind
down, that subsidy to profits will wind down
and could mean that profit growth is
attenuated and that profit expectations are too
high. Again, that normalization could be tough
on asset prices. So, that underlying set
of factors is riskier today than was the case,
say, pre-financial crisis.
On the other hand, there is both apparent risk
and risk that people haven’t recognized.
Before the financial crisis, there was less
apparent risk, but there was much more risk in
the financial system due to misunderstood
assets and lower levels of capital.
Ratner: Joe, what is your view of investment
risk and how you think about it?
Joseph Davis: Similarly to Dennis’ comments,
we view risk in the context of the portfolio and
the clients’ objectives, and that’s related with
what we perceive as the investor’s risk
appetite, what their objectives are, and what
they’re trying to achieve with that portfolio.
Investment risk is multifaceted. Clearly, there is
risk not just in the markets themselves, but
also economic risk, growth and inflation, and
policy risk. We agree that policy risk in many
ways has not been this high in quite some time,
certainly in more than a generation.
Risk is often associated with volatility
or variance, but volatility is the realization of
risk. Risk can be highest when volatility
is low or when perceived uncertainty is low.
Interest-rate volatility by some measures
is very low, and yet interest-rate risk could be
high. When trying to think through that,
I think quantitative analysis is very important.
There have been some important developments
over the past several decades. Models are just
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a start, and I’d view them as simply one
tool in a broader portfolio-construction and
asset-allocation context.
Qualitative judgment is critical, both with
respect to what historical episodes are relevant,
and also how historical relationships may
have changed over time. Risk, in many ways,
can be asymmetric, particularly with
respect to clients’ aversion to downside risk,
especially for those investors who may
be drawing down a portfolio. We also do a
great deal of analysis both from a broad
portfolio-construction context, as well as
within actively managed funds. We will try to
assess various states of the world.
the increased risk-taking with respect to
fixed-income investing, as well as the
desire for increased yields or income. We have
seen moves out of, say, more-conservative
fixed-income and money-market vehicles
into more-aggressive corporate and municipalbond offerings, even into dividend-paying
equity funds.
So, whether it’s explicit or unintended, and that
will vary by the investor, we’ve clearly seen
greater interest and cash flows into higher
credit-risk exposure, greater interest-rate risk,
and greater equity risk, although it’s generally
viewed as just more of an income positioning.
Stattman: Coincident with the financial crisis,
Dennis mentioned some scenarios. We do
similar scenarios, as well, in terms of trying to
assess the potential impact they could
have—not only on levels of market risk, but the
implied risk premiums, which we as investors
would be expected to be rewarded if we
should bear that risk. So, that’s a key tenet, as
well as trying to be realistic, and applying a
heavy dose of humility to try to see how much
we really know or perhaps do not know with
respect to future states of the world. When one
applies that framework, one consistently
comes back to more balance, rather than
less, in part because one’s appreciation not
only for risk but for the inherent uncertainty of
financial markets comes to the fore.
Ratner: Are you finding today that your clients
are, by and large, more risk-averse than they
were five, six years ago?
Davis: We’re seeing two general patterns.
In one sense, we have seen some investors shy
away from equities in the past several years,
although that’s been more from long-only active
than it has been from broad, low-cost,
index vehicles where investor appetite seems
to be very strong. So, in one sense, there’s an
increase, at the margin, to risk aversion.
At the same time, particularly more recently,
and it gives us some pause for concern, there is
there was a very large and sudden shock
to risk appetites—a shock downward in
people’s tolerance for risk within their
portfolios. It was effectively a realization of
two things: that there was greater risk
than previously understood in the environment
and that, unfortunately as is the case with
human nature, brought out the real as opposed
to imagined levels of risk tolerance in investors.
In other words, many investors did not
understand how much risk they were willing to
tolerate until that risk was manifest and
wealth was lost. So, there was a very sharp
decline in willingness to take risk that we can
date to 2008.
But since then, as Joe noted, and especially
within the past two years, the thirst for
yield and income in what has become an
extraordinarily low interest-rate environment
has led a number of investors who would
have preferred lower-risk vehicles to earn their
income—those investors have been,
in some sense, forced, if they’re going to get
income—to take a higher level of risk. Because
effectively, very low-risk vehicles provide
returns that are inadequate for many investors.
An investor who might have been accustomed
to earning inflation plus 1% on a Treasury bill
now earns inflation minus 2% on a T-bill.
Finding that unsatisfactory, they’ve moved from
Table of Contents for the Digital Edition of Morningstar Advisor - April/May 2013
Morningstar Advisor - April/May 2013
Contents
Contributors
Letter From the Editor
The Pursuit of Happiness and Financial Advice
What Strategies Do You Use to Control Risk?
Driven to Succeed for Clients and Family
How to Assess a Portfolio’s Bond Risk
Luck, Skill, and Investing
Investments á la Carte
Investment Briefs
Investing’s No- Brainers Have Costs
A Defensive Ride
Risk On/On Risk
The Risk of Being Overconfident
Year of Living Dangerously
The Risk-Parity Approach
A Guide to Mutual Funds Running Risk-Parity Strategies
What Moats Tell Us About Risk
Risk’s Wake-Up Call
Seeing Is Believing
Why Investors Lag the Returns of Their Funds
Liquidity Signals
Pump Them Up
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Our Favorite Mutual Funds
50 Most-Popular Equity ETFs
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