world, including an orthopedic surgeon in Chicago. It has been used successfully to help treat thousands of patients around the world at the 36 different TMJ & Sleep Therapy Centres. My point about Dr. Fonder's book was not that there is no other research that indicates pain changes a person's posture, but that for decades there has been evidence of posture changes caused by pain. ■ 12/3/2015 We're all doctors here, and we have reasonably good backgrounds that should allow us to understand it if you'd actually explain it instead of pretending it can't be explained easily. Provide the literature that supports the claims, and stop the premise that the only way we can understand it is to take a course from two guys. If you can't explain it, why should I believe you understand it? And if you can't provide adequate literature to support your claims, don't expect us to take your word for it that it's there. And there has been a fair amount of new and improved research showing that pain and posture are most often not related. ■ ChipPayet Member Since: 07/08/03 Post: 112 of 118 12/3/2015 Join the discussion online at dentaltown.com Flip TMD FREE FACTS, circle 17 on card dentaltown.com \\ OCTOBER 2016 45http://www.dentaltown.com/MessageBoard/thread.aspx?a=11&s=2&f=154&t=257952&g=1 http://dryshield.com/DT http://www.dentaltown.com