message board As to the upper teeth retracting when you expand, yes this will happen with true skeletal expansion because you will be increasing arch length (circumference of half circle is proportional to diameter of half circle) and there will be increased space to resolve crowding and/or retract teeth. If there is no crowding, as in this case, the upper anteriors will retract. All good points to ponder. ■ 10/9/2017 whiskeyriver Member Since: 02/05/13 Post: 9 of 11 I agree with everyone that you are fighting growth which is usually a no-win situation. Coupled with noncompliance and you have a real headache. Probably hoping the dad gets a new job and has to move. I have used the CS 2000 springs from DynaFlex to bail myself out on noncompliant cases. They come in 10mm and 7 mm lengths. If you overstretch the springs they break right in the middle and they are expensive. A couple of times I fell on my sword and took the appliances off. Closed the fee, gave retainers and offered to retreat the case for half the fee again if they agree to undergo surgery. Thus far, two have come back as young adult males and went to surgery. ■ 10/9/2017 tom525 Member Since: 06/18/08 Post: 11 of 11 Went to Dr. De Clerck's course twice and started doing bone anchors for Class III two years ago. These are a few shots of a transfer case whose mother really wanted to try anything but surgery for her 13.3-year-old daughter. She was too old for Hugo's profile but I was impressed with what happened in her case. About a year between cephs. Last photos are 18 months into treatment. Left lower plate came out after 15 months ■ 10/23/2017 What would you do? Search: "Mandibular Prognathism" It seems as if there is no easy way around treating this patient. Curious to see how this case turned out or have questions for the original poster? Head to orthotown.com and search "mandibular prognathism"-this message board will be the top result. 18 DECEMBER 2017 // orthotown.comhttp://www.orthotown.com http://www.orthotown.com