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you're failing. Everyone has got their own path.

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Matt: Yeah, next year. I don't have a crystal
ball, but, yeah, I think next year.
Matt is actually one of the few people that will
send me a copy of a quarterly check and go, "Look
at this, dude."
Marcus: He sent that to all of us, by the way!
Really fun. [laughter] Not to interrupt, but I
was going to mention that, that he does that not
to bust our balls, but to show that putting the
time in, it does work. Matt and I have had conversations about this where I'm like, "Dude, I
need me a piece of that." And he goes, "Dude,
just keep goin'." He said, "My first ASCAP
check was like $200, and yours was more than

"You suck until you don't."
-Marcus Cohen
that, so you're already way ahead. So just keep
moving." And that's why it's great to support
each other, because in those moments when
you're like, "Ughh, my check was not that
much." You've got somebody like Matt saying,
"Dude, keep pushing. Just keep goin'."
It is gonna happen. I see it over and over again.
And I love that about this community -- that there
is evidence and there is support. What more do
you need, you know? It's not like we're doing Tony
Robbins stuff and I'm making you guys walk across
hot coals in the ballroom or anything. There is no
woo-woo, there's no hidden thing or anything. It's
all out in the open and it's there for the taking,
and you guys are just guys who are taking it.
Marcus: And it's not BS. I don't want to say
it's nothing. There's something special about
everybody. But it's not BS, like we are the elite,
and that's not how it works. And you
mentioned excuses. That's what's got to fall
away. I'm not going to mention where I was, but
I was in a class and it was a Q&A, and nine out
of ten of the questions started with an excuse.
"Hi, I'm so-and-so and I only do dah-dah-dah,
and I'm not sure if that's gonna be enough." He
immediately started off with an excuse. Where
it could be, "Hi, I'm so-and-so and I do this
really well. I'd like to figure out how to do better." "Oh, you know, I only make one cue a
year," or "I only play solo piano." You're selfdefeated.
Keith: To get back to your question, I don't
view it like the six figures. Yeah, I'm getting
there. Everything's great-I have a full-time
job-so I'm different than a full-time composer.
But I don't view it like that, and I kind of want
to put it out there that we are all on different
levels. And just because you're not making six
figures or you're not full-time, it doesn't mean
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And you're setting yourself up for retirement.
Keith: Right. It's been a beautiful thing. We've
put a new roof on my house, a new bathroom.
Everything's great, but everyone is on different
levels, and don't take it that you're failing,
because you're not.
Marcus: Fall in love with the process; it's not
the end game. Like Michael says, these guys are
gonna hit six figures; I'm gonna hit six figures.
And then when you don't, it's like, well, this
sucks. Fall in love with the process, not where it's
going. I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty
sure that Matt when he started wasn't like, "I'm
gonna do this until I make six figures." I'm like
falling in love with the process, I'm doing well, I
suck. It's both, it's up and down. One of my
teachers always says, "When you're new, you
want to get good. When you're good, you want
to see where you fail." You want to see where
you're gonna screw up, because now that's what
you need to fix. So everyone that's new, get
good; everyone who's good, find out where you
fail. "Man, this is difficult, I need to fix that."
It's a process. It's not like I'm gonna do this
until this money comes in.
I mean, I have been there, for sure. There's a
point where you're like, "I can't do it, because
I'm not making money, and what am I
supposed to do?" Like I said, the therapist's

"If it takes me more than two to four
hours to make a cue, then I've got
way too much stuff going on."
-Matthew VanderBoegh
advice: "Stop that!" Get back in love with the
process. I've had days where I'm making something and in the middle of it, I'm like, "This
isn't gonna land. I know my publishers; I know
I'm not there..." You immediately get in your
own head. Five minutes later, if I'm just working on the track, I'm no longer thinking that. I
don't give my mind that space. I do, but I'm trying to do that less, because my $500/hour
advice is to stop doing that. [laughter] So I better be saying that to myself more than I'm
saying it to you guys.
Randon: For me, it's been a little bit different,
because I started out going after just TV cues all
of the time. And it was almost like reading the
TAXI advice and some of the success stories
and everyone saying, "Hey, my ASCAP check
doubled, and then it doubled again each year."
And I was following that, and it was really cool,
it's happening. But what I really wanted to be
was in trailers. I love doing TV cues too, and I
plan to always do both of those. Trailers are a
little different because they are hard to get, for
one, and you don't get paid any royalties on

them, for two. But they have much bigger payouts when they do come. So I kind of split my
path in the last year and really started going
after more trailers and not doing as many TV
cues.
Like you were saying, I kind of left the idea of
having a monetary goal so much. I mean, I still
do. I like writing music a lot more than software
[laughter], so it's definitely still on the table.
But my goals definitely turned to be more like,
"Hey, I want at least an independent film trailer
this year," and, "I want a major blockbuster film
in 2019." And hopefully next year when I come
to the Rally, I can come show you which trailer I
did by then.
Terrell, you look like you wanted to chime in with
something a couple of minutes ago.
Terrell: I was just going to say I'm a little ways
off from that income, because I guess I'm the
only one on here that doesn't do cues. I cowrote a cue and it got placed, but I'll be honest,
my cue game is trash. I have to improve on that.
I do more vocals and top-lining, so my catalog is
smaller right now. I need to grow it and give
more time to learning cues. I'm a ways off from
that.
In my opinion, something that I have seen over
and over through many years is that people work
harder and do more than they have to [in order] to
be successful-from a musical perspective. People
will spend so much time on what I affectionately
call stupid little instrumental cues. I call them stupid little instrumental cues because many of them,
most of them, work well when they are really simple. People tend to over-complicate and feel very
compelled to, "I'm gonna show everybody what an
amazing composer I am." And what I'm about to
say makes it sound like I'm endorsing mediocrity,
but I'm not. I am endorsing understanding what
the market is that you're pitching to so that you
can make music that they want and not what you
think is going to impress other people. So Matt, can
you talk about your journey into discovering what
really works? And am I right about simple often
works better?
Matt: Yeah, that's totally true. So when I started
making cues, I did rock, loud rock songs with a
ton of stuff in it. It's what happens when you
put like a composer behind a rock band with
unlimited potential for tracks. Cool, I can have a
thousand things going on at the same time. So
that's kind of where I was my first year of doing
cues all by myself is... you're not limited to four
tracks, so I was like, "Oh, I'll put this and this
and this in there." And before you knew it, I had
like a hundred tracks going into a 90-second
piece of music. That was one of the lessons I
learned early on. Well, I didn't learn it early on,
it took me a while.
But really, you don't need that much stuff. What
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First Look: KRK Systems ROKIT 5 G4
Vance Powell on mixing The Raconteurs' Help Us Stranger
Steinberg Cubase 10
Plug-In Outlet: Puremagnetik Plug-ins
Lynx Studio Technology Aurora(n)
Studio 101. Part 17: Studio controllers
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