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INTERVIEW

We continue learning and making mistakes as we
adapt living systems into more intense non-natural
environments. And if our trees die, we keep trying so
they grow again. Trees have their own pace and time.
The downer is that we usually won't live long enough
to see if we got it right.
- Marc Hallé
as we learned in grade school: we have
to learn from our past, and the issues are
social and political and the problems that
challenge societies existing beyond our
invisible property lines.

40 foot forest patch or the hundred acre
wood. All these things are critical to our
urban environment and our society as a
whole. And we've only seen this more and
more over time.

A more recent example in that same book
relates to the Island of Guinea, which is
divided geographically and politically into
two sides. Politically, they were run very
differently. As the book put forward, one
side (Papua New Guinea) was run by a
dictator whose sister loved what is now
colloquially known as forest bathing: she
loved going into the forest and loved the
trees. So, the dictator embedded the
nation's forestry department into the
Militaristic Defense Department and
therefore the forest was heavily protected
over time.

Darby McGrath: That's a pretty extreme
example that Bob gave. But interesting to
think about the fact that essentially what
you're doing is protecting ecosystem
services for your population. It's an
idea, that moving forward, is going to be
critically important to consider for urban
forestry and green space in general
in cities.

Now, if you look at the dividing line between
these two countries, one striking difference
is just how forested Papua New Guinea was,
and how West Papua became more and
more deforested because people used the
trees without regulation for fuel, for building
and, in general, for survival. The example
used isn't to promote dictatorships, but to
demonstrate that the strength of Papua
New Guinea's society in the long term was
improved based on protection of the forest,
and its critical role in society.
It was a critical book for me to read at that
time. It emphasized the critical nature of
the forest and whether it's that 60 foot by
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I think about smaller municipalities
frequently, and I don't want to be
the pessimist either, but some of the
challenges in smaller towns across Canada
is that there's just not a lot of resources
and staffing support to do new and
interesting things. Some smaller towns
are quite scared, because if something
goes wrong, they don't feel they even
have the resources to be able to go out
and to deal with it. It comes back to the
fact that all towns need an urban forest
management plan; this needs to become
the new standard, something that every
city and town has the ability and the
access to do. Otherwise you don't have
a way to benchmark and it makes it very
difficult to monitor success. There's no
way to understand where you are or where
you're going.

We see some language right now from the
PM to the Minister of Natural Resources
on urban forestry and that's exciting.
This means that we need a coordinated
approach for urban forest planning in
Canada. I don't think this needs to be
dumped onto small cities and towns to
deal with on their own. There has to be a
set of guiding principles that managers
can look towards. Once we understand
what those forest management plans look
like, then certainly we have the ability to
build data in to help support the needs and
really understand what the future looks like
across the entire spectrum of the country,
rather than where we see pockets of
activity. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I think
it will become increasingly important with
climate change.
James Urban: When you have to defend
proper tree planting, or preservation for a
project to your client, the planning board
or the project architect, have them read
the introduction to my book, Up by Roots.
It's only three pages. If you think you can
lead them further, give them part one,
that's another 13 pages, and there are lots
of pictures. The book is designed so you
take the concepts in little bites, then a little
bigger bite. If they are still excited, maybe
give them the book.
The politics of trees is much more difficult
than the science of trees. Phil Ries said
that, when I was first starting on my
quest, and I have found it to be incredibly
true. That difficult issue has come up in
much of this discussion. We need a lot
more research to understand these living
systems better if we are going to lead the
way politically. The facts of a tree's living
system requirements should roll off our
tongues in conversations in compelling
ways. That only happens after we truly
understand the details of our craft. That
proficiency of any topic is what makes a
person truly a professional in their area of
expertise. It is hard for me to imagine that a
landscape architect would not be assumed
to be an expert in the growth requirements
of the plants they specify.
I often hear landscape architects say,
" We have a soil scientist on our team. "
Soil science is basically about agricultural



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Table of Contents for the Digital Edition of Landscapes - Spring 2021

TO BEGIN WITH | POUR COMMENCER
OUR WRITERS | NOS RÉDACTEURS
PROLOGUE
TECHNOLOGY AND THE CHANGING LANDSCAPE
VIRTUALIZATION OF THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN PROCESS
LE PAYSAGE VIRTUEL COMME OUTIL DE TRAVAIL
DATA-DRIVEN ZONING CODES FOR CLIMATE ACTION
3D FAX MACHINES
LA TECHNOLOGIE À LA RESCOUSSE DE LA SENSIBILITÉ
CRITIQUE
INTERVIEW
FORUM
THE PARTING SHOT | UNE DERNIÈRE SALVE
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Landscapes - Spring 2021 - LE PAYSAGE VIRTUEL COMME OUTIL DE TRAVAIL
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Landscapes - Spring 2021 - DATA-DRIVEN ZONING CODES FOR CLIMATE ACTION
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Landscapes - Spring 2021 - 3D FAX MACHINES
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Landscapes - Spring 2021 - LA TECHNOLOGIE À LA RESCOUSSE DE LA SENSIBILITÉ
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