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REVISITING REDBIRD

FLAT-RATE TRAINING AND SIMULATION DEBATE

I

read and liked Ian J. Twombly's “The Business of Flight Training” (“Right Seat,” January 2013 Flight Training). I own and
operate a flight school—Alpine Flight Training in Eagle, Colorado. The column was refreshing in that it has been one of the
few pieces I’ve seen recognizing that there is indeed another side to
this story—the business side of making it all work. I believe, however,
most people are still not entirely thinking through the problem.
In my opinion, flat-rate training is a
bad proposition, but not for most of the
reasons I read about. The main issue
with flat-rate training is that there is no
incentive for the student to work hard. I
tried flat-rate training—it worked for some
students (natural achievers) and it was a
failure for others. In analyzing the results,
my observation is that some students go
home and read the books, study, and take
the endeavor seriously. Others float along.
The floaters get away with basically ripping off the flight school. Instead of having
a private certificate at 40 to 60 hours, they
end up finishing at 100 hours. At the start
of the process we explain why we don’t do
flat-rate training, then we share our stats—
we show we have pilots who complete as
low as 43 hours, and others who finish
at 80 hours. The difference between the
two costs is primarily within their control
in terms of their willingness to study,
prepare for lessons, and be fully engaged
and invested in their goal. I think this is
the side of the story that needs to be better
communicated.
Loren French
Gypsum, Colorado

I hate to break it to you, but it’s not the
money. General aviation is being killed
by one thing and one thing only—the
instructors. The FBOs usually are great,
friendly, helpful and supportive. (I
might put the antiquated training fleet
as a distant second.) Almost all CFIs
are totally unqualified to teach anything.
They may be good pilots, but in terms of
relating that information to a wide variety
of students, they are woefully inadequate.
Just imagine them in a private school
setting; most wouldn’t last a year before
being thrown out. 
James Freund
Santa Rosa, California
Ian Twombly’s statement of simulation
being the solution is not the best answer.
His article on Redbird Skyport (“Big Idea,”
January 2013 Flight Training) stated that
the average aircraft hours for the private
certificate is 42 hours. Not impressive
given the unlimited usage of the Redbird
sims. Simulators need to be very realistic
with motion bases and wraparound visuals
to provide a viable substitute for a real aircraft. This technology is not cheap. Even at

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Flight Training - March 2013

Table of Contents for the Digital Edition of Flight Training - March 2013

Flight Training - March 2013
Contents
President’s Perspective
Right Seat
Letters
Not What It Appears
After the Checkride
How It Works
ASI News Action
Training Products
Since You Asked
Member Products Final Exam
Checkride
Flight Lesson
Flying Carpet
The "S" Word
Women With Wings
Problem Solver
Technique
Weather
Aviation's Glass Ceiling
Career Advisor
Tech Talk
Juggling the Airplane
The Known to the Unknown
You're Not Done Yet
Advertiser Index
Debrief
Flight Training - March 2013 - Flight Training - March 2013
Flight Training - March 2013 - Cover2
Flight Training - March 2013 - 1
Flight Training - March 2013 - Contents
Flight Training - March 2013 - 3
Flight Training - March 2013 - President’s Perspective
Flight Training - March 2013 - 5
Flight Training - March 2013 - Right Seat
Flight Training - March 2013 - 7
Flight Training - March 2013 - Letters
Flight Training - March 2013 - 9
Flight Training - March 2013 - Not What It Appears
Flight Training - March 2013 - 11
Flight Training - March 2013 - After the Checkride
Flight Training - March 2013 - How It Works
Flight Training - March 2013 - ASI News Action
Flight Training - March 2013 - Training Products
Flight Training - March 2013 - Since You Asked
Flight Training - March 2013 - 17
Flight Training - March 2013 - Member Products Final Exam
Flight Training - March 2013 - Checkride
Flight Training - March 2013 - 20
Flight Training - March 2013 - Flight Lesson
Flight Training - March 2013 - Flying Carpet
Flight Training - March 2013 - 23
Flight Training - March 2013 - The "S" Word
Flight Training - March 2013 - 25
Flight Training - March 2013 - 26
Flight Training - March 2013 - 27
Flight Training - March 2013 - Women With Wings
Flight Training - March 2013 - 29
Flight Training - March 2013 - 30
Flight Training - March 2013 - 31
Flight Training - March 2013 - 32
Flight Training - March 2013 - 33
Flight Training - March 2013 - Problem Solver
Flight Training - March 2013 - 35
Flight Training - March 2013 - 36
Flight Training - March 2013 - 37
Flight Training - March 2013 - Technique
Flight Training - March 2013 - 39
Flight Training - March 2013 - Weather
Flight Training - March 2013 - 41
Flight Training - March 2013 - 42
Flight Training - March 2013 - Aviation's Glass Ceiling
Flight Training - March 2013 - Career Advisor
Flight Training - March 2013 - 45
Flight Training - March 2013 - Tech Talk
Flight Training - March 2013 - Juggling the Airplane
Flight Training - March 2013 - The Known to the Unknown
Flight Training - March 2013 - You're Not Done Yet
Flight Training - March 2013 - 50
Flight Training - March 2013 - Advertiser Index
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Flight Training - March 2013 - Debrief
Flight Training - March 2013 - Cover3
Flight Training - March 2013 - Cover4
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