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through the Road Rally, probably no other way.
And then second best, you know each other in an
online sense, mostly through the TAXI Forum, to
some extent Facebook, or phone calls or Skypes or
whatever. I think it's really cool that you guys are
able to have these honest conversations. And I'm
really glad these folks in the audience are learning
this stuff, because it could take them a year or two
to learn this etiquette that you're sending them
home with.
Scott: Well, it is learned, because nobody is as
immature as Matt and myself. [laughter] But
you have to be a practitioner of what works.
Matt: Can I add something to that? I think in
that situation, it kind of depends what the goal
of the song was. If you had the perfect opportunity and it was coming up then, then yeah, I
would have that conversation with somebody

"There will be another opportunity
coming up, maybe even in a week. If
you just miss one deadline, no big
deal."
-Matt Vander Boegh
and say, "Can I get someone else?" But if you
really wanted to work with that one person and
you're OK with missing the deadline, there is
never just one opportunity ever for a song.
There will be another opportunity coming up,
maybe even in a week. If you just miss one deadline, no big deal. It'll come back around again, if
you just want to work with that one person.
Steven: If the relationship is the most important thing, I think that trumps everything.
Because all these: I was in a band, I remember
we used to tour and we would get all this label
interest. There was a point back in the '90s
where we did that a lot, and we finally learned
that there's a lot of great stuff and it doesn't
always work out. I've had lots of TAXI

forwards...lots and lots of forwards, and no callbacks. And maybe I'll be getting those call backs
in the next two years; I might be getting like a
couple hundred calls... I might not, you know.
And with someone else, with a person, if it's a
good relationship and you have a good level of
trust, I think you should be able to say
something like, "Hey, I need to finish this," or
"Oh, don't worry about it, we're going to find
another way to do this." But I think relationship
is always the most important.
I'm really blown away by the depth of these relationships - more than just professional
relationships... it's a friendship. I'm really quite
impressed.
CK: I think I see Terry Blackwell back there. I
feel like I could talk to him about anything at all.
I mean, we talk about family stuff. It's just the
best.
Last year, here at the Rally, I was riding on an elevator with a guy and he said to me, "I just come to the
Road Rally for the networking, you know?" The guy
went on to brag that he hadn't been to a single
class or panel. And then he told me, "I just hang out
in the bar and I buy people drinks." This is almost
word-for-word what the guy told me. I wrote it
down the day after the Rally because I was a little
astounded by it. "I hang out with people who are
successful, I buy them a drink and I get cozy, and
then I seal the deal and I collaborate with them.
And BAM-0, I get in libraries without even going
through your listings-or the screeners-and I get
placements." Does it bother you guys when somebody only comes here to piggyback on your
contacts?
Russell: Michael, that's an interesting thing,
because it goes back to one of the first things we
were talking about-how we developed relationships with people and we know them before we
go. Me, personally, that guy's probably never collaborated with me, because I don't trust anybody
when I first meet them. Sorry guys. I'll get to
know you and be polite, but as far as trusting
someone to say, "Oh yeah, sure. Let's collaborate
right now," I gotta know you first. I've got to have
heard your stuff; I have got to have seen what
you've done before, because just some yahoo that

nobody knows who they are because they're not
involved in anything, it's not going to happen, as
far as I'm concerned. I hate to be harsh about it
that way, but, honestly-maybe it's because I'm a
very shy guy or something-but it takes me a
while to warm up to somebody and get to know
them. If something like that would happen, my
guess is this dude's probably collaborated with a
lot of people once. That would be my guess.
Steven: Yeah, if you feel like you're being used
you're not going to continue doing that.
Are there any negatives that people should know
who are new to collaboration that they should
watch out for? Any danger signs? Matt looks like
he's thinking hard over there. You know, the folks in
the audience are probably thinking, "Wow, this
sounds all great, and they've given me a lot of
actionable advice." Is there anything that can take
the whole thing and put it in the dumper?
Matt: I think it depends on your goals. Like for
me this year, I was really working hard at trying
to increase my catalog of just instrumental stuff.
And I actually had some people approach me
about collaborating of whom I have all
intentions to do later. But I'd tell them that I'm
super-swamped, and so I could've just
overwhelmed myself with collaborations, maybe
had one too many, then kind of slipped on my
own goal a little bit. So probably it's more of a
personal thing on that. And then just the trust
issue too comes up; you might have a dud. But
again, you're going to probably realize that right
away. You know, like that guy who was just here

"The biggest thing that's most difficult to handle and kind of gets to me
a little bit is people who don't know
how to use their software."
-Russell Landwehr
to piggyback on the relationships others had
built, you probably would've recognized immediately what his intentions are. So that might be
the danger. I know some people also fear the
copyright issue, or sharing the value of a song.
They might feel that they brought to
the table a little bit more. I've always
just felt that it's 50/50, so maybe if
you're a little hesitant on that, that
might be a downside if you feel like
maybe it was more of your work. But
I've never felt that way in any
collaboration.

Collaboration Nation panelists during their panel: (Left to right) Russell Landwehr, Matt Vander Boegh, Seth Littlefield, Steven Guiles, Carla (C.K.)
Barlow, and Scott Free.
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Russell: The biggest down thing that
I've ever run across is people who
don't know how to use their
software. Sometimes you'll run
across some people who don't know
how to use their software, don't know
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